There’s no stopping china w/ AI in the long term. All the US can do is slow them down and hopefully make sure America is sufficiently provisioned to deal with whatever China is cooking. That said, I don’t buy into the argument that slowly China down today is only going to speed them up later. China has been going full bore on silicon for a while and is spending and doing as much as possible to decouple from the west in these segments. So, yes, sanctions are an effective tool to slowing them down. China’s only speed is lightning fast. Sanctions puts them at more like “thunder fast”.
I half-agree with this. China has definitely been pushing for a domestic chip industry, but the Huawei debacle, and last year’s October surprise lit a fire under their feet. Both in terms of state funding, but especially because it forced the private sector to make changes.
We see China as this top-down governed behemoth, but this does not capture the whole picture. Most private companies operate in a relatively autonomous fashion. That is why until recently, most tech companies (Tencent, Baidu, ByteDance, even Huawei) were not interested in domestic chips: because they were uncompetitive. So they bought Nvidia, Qualcomm, and TSMC chips. Now, all their funds are going to domestic manufacturers, which is bad for the tech companies, but good for China’s goal of chip autonomy.
So my main argument is that China was indeed already doing a ton to decouple from the West before (and during the initial phase of) the sanctions, but the private sector has accelerated this shift out of necessity.
This does not mean that sanctions were a bad idea from the US perspective. Absent those, something like M60 Pro may have only been developed by 2026, but China would still be transitioning towards indigenous chip production – while also reaping the benefits (AI race, increased global profits bein funneled into R&D) of access to foreign tech.
There’s no stopping china w/ AI in the long term. All the US can do is slow them down and hopefully make sure America is sufficiently provisioned to deal with whatever China is cooking. That said, I don’t buy into the argument that slowly China down today is only going to speed them up later. China has been going full bore on silicon for a while and is spending and doing as much as possible to decouple from the west in these segments. So, yes, sanctions are an effective tool to slowing them down. China’s only speed is lightning fast. Sanctions puts them at more like “thunder fast”.
I half-agree with this. China has definitely been pushing for a domestic chip industry, but the Huawei debacle, and last year’s October surprise lit a fire under their feet. Both in terms of state funding, but especially because it forced the private sector to make changes.
We see China as this top-down governed behemoth, but this does not capture the whole picture. Most private companies operate in a relatively autonomous fashion. That is why until recently, most tech companies (Tencent, Baidu, ByteDance, even Huawei) were not interested in domestic chips: because they were uncompetitive. So they bought Nvidia, Qualcomm, and TSMC chips. Now, all their funds are going to domestic manufacturers, which is bad for the tech companies, but good for China’s goal of chip autonomy.
So my main argument is that China was indeed already doing a ton to decouple from the West before (and during the initial phase of) the sanctions, but the private sector has accelerated this shift out of necessity.
This does not mean that sanctions were a bad idea from the US perspective. Absent those, something like M60 Pro may have only been developed by 2026, but China would still be transitioning towards indigenous chip production – while also reaping the benefits (AI race, increased global profits bein funneled into R&D) of access to foreign tech.
why do we want to keep china down? so we can reign supreme at raping the world for it’s resources instead of them? lol