Considering I’ve had duds from each brand (had a Lenovo with hinges so bad they had to settle a class action over it, and I had an Asus with soldered down ram that was bad and the bios was so trash I couldn’t disable the bad ram and run of of the one swap-able slot instead,) it’s a bit of an Alien vs. Predator situation in my view. Both brands are a shadow of their peak (the classic Asus Netbooks were tanks - mine still boot to this day, and Lenovo Thinkpads until about the mid 2010s were immaculate - I have a 2012 model that still runs,) and neither of them have any reason to get better about it.
Isn’t it partially your fault on the hinges for buying a non-Thinkpad? Asus doesn’t even have a business line of laptops, as far as I’m aware, so shouldn’t even be an option.
Little bit like buying an HP Pavilion and complaining about build quality.
there is different lines of thinkpads. the consumer ones are produced in china, anything T series and up meant for busness is not and has noticably better qa
Mid-grade is pretty vague. Laptops in general are designed to be disposable while ‘checking off the boxes’ for marketing feature lists - with few exceptions.
I work in a school and we purchase a whole heap of laptops every year. For that price we’d be looking at a student device, defenitely one of the cheaper ones. But yes, we’d expect more than 2 years out of them. Again, we don’t buy consumer devices because they have horrible build quality and get an education + bulk discount.
I just think we shouldn’t accept that cheaper consumer devices get built so poorly they just crumble to pieces after two years.
While I hate to call on the “everything was better back then” argument, a €500 laptop back in 2008 would be a shitty laptop, but it would remain functional while shitty for basically ever.
So many of these cheap laptops with super crappy Celeron processors just keep going even if they are slow as fuck and were barely tolerable back in the day. And when RAM or the storage device dies, you can replace them and keep the machine going. Not so much with many modern devices.
I feel like we’re literally engineering them to fail.
The old Sony Vaios were the real bulletproof laptops imo. I have one from 2008. Yeah the battery is kinda shot but it works perfectly fine. I’ve gone through a few Dell, HP, Lenovo and Asus Laptops in the same span.
Yeah my wife had a refurb Vaio that was already couple years old when we picked it up, and it easily put another 5 on the board before just getting too old to daily drive. It was otherwise fine.
Considering I’ve had duds from each brand (had a Lenovo with hinges so bad they had to settle a class action over it, and I had an Asus with soldered down ram that was bad and the bios was so trash I couldn’t disable the bad ram and run of of the one swap-able slot instead,) it’s a bit of an Alien vs. Predator situation in my view. Both brands are a shadow of their peak (the classic Asus Netbooks were tanks - mine still boot to this day, and Lenovo Thinkpads until about the mid 2010s were immaculate - I have a 2012 model that still runs,) and neither of them have any reason to get better about it.
Isn’t it partially your fault on the hinges for buying a non-Thinkpad? Asus doesn’t even have a business line of laptops, as far as I’m aware, so shouldn’t even be an option.
Little bit like buying an HP Pavilion and complaining about build quality.
There were Thinkpads in the same class action IIRC. Just a bad design and a bad part used across their line up with some of their 2 in 1s for a while.
there is different lines of thinkpads. the consumer ones are produced in china, anything T series and up meant for busness is not and has noticably better qa
I don’t see any evidence to support that. I see Ideapad Flex and Yoga: https://flexscreensettlement.com/Portals/0/1d. Second Amended Complaint (1.26.23).pdf?ver=P6CZLg1AWkrmW1U11Lrd9w%3D%3D
Same as the Lenovo pre-installed malware incident which affected their consumer laptop lines. I think it was called superfish?
How is that my fault
I think the reasoning is that if you buy a mid-quality machine, it will not have top quality manufacturing?
Thinkpads are pretty solid business class machines.
Even when buying a mid-grade device I kinda expect it to not be complete dogfight garbage and break in stupid ways two days after the warranty ends.
Mid-grade is pretty vague. Laptops in general are designed to be disposable while ‘checking off the boxes’ for marketing feature lists - with few exceptions.
But one should realistically be able to expect a €500 laptop to last more than two years, right?
I work in a school and we purchase a whole heap of laptops every year. For that price we’d be looking at a student device, defenitely one of the cheaper ones. But yes, we’d expect more than 2 years out of them. Again, we don’t buy consumer devices because they have horrible build quality and get an education + bulk discount.
I just think we shouldn’t accept that cheaper consumer devices get built so poorly they just crumble to pieces after two years.
While I hate to call on the “everything was better back then” argument, a €500 laptop back in 2008 would be a shitty laptop, but it would remain functional while shitty for basically ever.
So many of these cheap laptops with super crappy Celeron processors just keep going even if they are slow as fuck and were barely tolerable back in the day. And when RAM or the storage device dies, you can replace them and keep the machine going. Not so much with many modern devices.
I feel like we’re literally engineering them to fail.
Lenovo’s ThinkPads are still great. Their Ideapads are rubbish
The old Sony Vaios were the real bulletproof laptops imo. I have one from 2008. Yeah the battery is kinda shot but it works perfectly fine. I’ve gone through a few Dell, HP, Lenovo and Asus Laptops in the same span.
Yeah my wife had a refurb Vaio that was already couple years old when we picked it up, and it easily put another 5 on the board before just getting too old to daily drive. It was otherwise fine.
I miss the Sony and Toshiba laptops :((
Solid brands through and through