Does this sub hate the Snapdragon X Elite or something?
No, but its a far more nuanced situation than the event suggested.
The hardware is pretty good, but it’s launching late next year, M3 and Meteor Lake are on the market this year. Heck you could argue that Arrow Lake mobile, Lunar Lake and Zen 5 mobile are the actual competition due to release windows.
The GPU drivers clearly need work as seen by the 2 games they showcased performing worse than AMD’s 780m (and likely Meteor Lake), despite being better in synthetics.
WoA is still not good, and nearly every Windows application will need to be emulated for the Elite X/any Arm chips. That wont change anytime soon as Qualcomm has no chance of outselling Intel or even AMD. So why would developers cater to Arm when billions of people already have x86 computers and x86 will outsell Arm on PC for the foreseeable future.
Limited partners with likely limited models. If you want a Windows PC, you can get whatever you want, beefy desktop replacement, ultrabook, even dual touch screen, there are countless options, and countless products on sale. Having the choice of like 12 different Elite X laptops is severely limiting, especially when Windows laptops are all over the place in price points and quality. Obviously if it sells well the number of models will grow, but someone has to early adopt it.
Pricing will probably be $1200+ for these laptops, that’s premium laptop territory, and WoA is not a premium experience, I would not pay premium pricing to beta test for Qualcomm either. We’ve already seen Meteor Lake’s highest core configuration up for pre-order for under $1000 for one model, and in 6-8 months those laptops will be on sale, and significantly cheaper than brand new Elite X laptops.
So at the end of the day, it simply doesnt look that compelling, despite the good hardware, there are a lot of other factors that drag it down while competition is stronger than ever.
You make a very solid case.
It’s vaporware until a product that uses it is announced. Not to mention this article compares it to a base M3, when it should probably be compared to an M3 Max, which decimates it lol
Its not necessary to compare to M3 max, (ofc reviewers will) but it depends on the price class.
Yes but M3 Max is a different class of product.
It’s like saying Ryzen 7945HX decimated the Ryzen 7950HS.
It’s called “snapdragon x elite”. I just assumed that meant it was their top of the line chip, but it will probably be priced similar to M3 Pro
Yeah. I mean for now, the X Elite is their best and highest end offering. But I do believe Qualcomm will release higher tier chips like “X Super” and “X Ultra” in the future.
Yeah. I mean for now, the X Elite is their best and highest end offering. But I do believe Qualcomm will release higher tier chips like “X Super” and “X Ultra” in the future.
Is that so? By which metric are you classifying it differently then? Power draw? TDP? P-Core count? Are they really that different in those regards? It doesn’t seem like they are, even though we don’t have real numbers yet for the snapdragon.
The die size of the X Elite is ~ 170 mm².
That’s far less than the M3 Max’s 400+ mm².
What thus nears is the two are in completely different tiers in terms of price.
the Snapdragon X Elite has an AI performance of 45 trillion operations per second (45 TOPS). This is more than double what the Apple M3’s Neural Engine is capable of
That’s misleading. QC usually takes the whole package (cpu,NPU,ISP, gpu) when presents their numbers, and in this occasion they also mentioned those 45TOPS where at 4bit Precision while apple are probably at 16bit. Until some product is out we can’t be certain.
You are mistaken.
-45 TOPS is for the NPU alone. The combined value of CPU, GPU, BPU is 75 TOPS.
-45 TOPS is for 8-bit (INT8) precision.Go watch the event again.
You are correct about those 45 for the NPU alone and 75 using all the SoC, but I cant find the precision, at what minute is it?