Who cares about the 8040U series? its the same thing as the 7040. just different release year lol.
“Microprocessor 4 core”
If the Ryzen 7000G series only tops out at 4CU I’m going to be a bit disappointed.
That’s not happening, all normal Ryzen 7000 CPUs have 2 CUs by default, there’s no way they’d make a whole “G” variant just to add 2 more CUs, and RDNA3 should take less space than Vega right?
They seem to be based on Phoenix 2 so the full die is 2xZen4, 4xZen4C and 4xRDNA3.
You should see it more as a low end CPU launch than an APU one.
The desktop APU rumors continue to disappoint. No 7700G? No 7900G with at least 18CU:s? No imminent launch, instead talk about CES or even more far away? And then next year nothing happens. Cycle repeats for 8000G.
How the hell are they supposed to make an 18CU part? The top die stops at 16.
12 CU. 16 CU are for Strix Point and that won’t be released for Desktops.
These are rebadged Phoenix chips, which are monolithic to get higher efficiency in laptops. They top at 8 CPU cores and 12 GPU CUs. Even 12 CUs are an overkill for the memory bandwidth made possible by DDR5/LPDDR5/X.
There are no 18+CU Phoenix chips because there hasn’t been a solid case for >128bit memory width in PCs, nor Infinity Cache in APUs.
It makes little sense to make up armchair specialist numbers and then complain that AMD didn’t put those in the market.
I read a 18CU and 24CU rumor long ago. If that is pointless then so be it. Thanks for clarifying.
Will 7000G be weaker than 7950X 3D? Or more powerful?
the new AMD mobile CPUs may be better than their Intel counterparts, but that doesn’t really matter in the end when you can barely get your hands on laptops that actually use those chips.
Is that due to a shortage of the chips, or that Intel has a firm grip on the partners?
AMD has offered better mobile CPU:s than Intel for a long time now, yet the flagship models från Lenovo, Dell, etc continue to use Intel CPU:s. Doesn’t make sense unless Intel has exclusivity/offers a lot money to their partners to keep exclusivity.
Witht that said, it is my impression that the number of models with AMD CPU:s have slowly increased.
Its due to limited capacity from TSMC. AMD can only make so many chips. Server and AI are super lucrative right now, so AMD makes mostly those chips. Very little incentive to make these low margin chips when they can inly fab so many chips at a time.
TSMC is working to build more plants to solve the issue, but its years away.
Intel has its own fabs, and tons of capacity because no one is buying their chips. So, OEMs stick with Intel because they can produce as many chips as they want. This is why Intel still dominates prebuilt and laptop markets.
As others have said before, TSMC has capacity, they’ve had capacity since both PC and datacenter demand fell early this year. Shipments are currently lower this year than last year. Even before when AMD was supply constrained, it wasn’t wafers, but substrate supply and AMD resolved that early in the year.
TSMC is building more capacity because, cyclically, chip demand increases and advanced packaging supply is the priority right now.
AI server is low volume as far as wafers go, but it’s straining on advanced packaging. I believe server CPUs outship accelerators 10 to 1. AMD doesn’t use advanced packaging for their mainstream Phoenix Point APUs.
AI demand has also cannibalized the traditional server market, so many companies have shifted their budgets for this year towards GPUs.
It’s 8 GPUs to 1 CPU per server and each GPU roughly costs as much as a server without GPUs.
My guess for AMD’s notebook supply issues are due to their lack of demand visibility and poor marketing and sales relative to Intel.
I believe they’ve got a classic chicken egg dilemma. AMD has little supply because they have little demand and they have little demand because they have little supply. And even though they are gaining more design wins, the time-to-market is quite long as OEMs don’t seem to have them widely available until two whole quarters after Phoenix launched. That’s almost like the lead time of both the chip and system combined.
That’s just my guess. I heard there were platform teething issues, but I don’t actually know.
On Intel’s side, it’s often said that they spend a lot on their channel and I think this is kind of evident outside looking in. OEMs stick with Intel because Intel not only because of their volume (as a result of IDM), but because they support their scale by helping partners downstream whether it’s marketing or even design.
And that goes full cycle with Intel’s customers basically becoming captive to Intel’s ecosystem. Many enterprises simply buy Intel on a cycle. AMD is competitive, but they’re not truly disruptive in mobile, except maybe for integrated graphics, but that’s not that big of a market, yet.
There’s no reason to swap to AMD unless Intel screws up both on supply and technology.
I do wonder if Intel can be as effective as they outsource for Meteor Lake and actually begin to charge their business units for using the internal fabs.
Some of it is shortage of chips. GPD accused AMD of not supplying enough chips, and I’m guessing that’s a result of high demand, as quite a few mobile gaming devices are using Phoenix.
Intel only got fined last year after a decade of their anti-competitive practice regarding that, I’d be surprised if they still aren’t doing a small scale of that.
I would love to buy a gaming laptop with Ryzen and the options are so limited, that it is just sad!
In other news : 7040U mobile series is still very rarely spotted in the wild.
There are very few 7040U models available and they are already moving to 8040U.
7040U is quite easy to get, as long as you go for a portable gaming device rather than a laptop.
It’s like there is one guy making all the 7840U chips by hand, and he is in Europe so took a month of the summer off.
TSMC can only make so many chips. Laptop chips are low margin compared to server and AI. AMD is gonna chase the money. Thats why all you get is Intel. Intel makes their own chips and isn’t as sought after these days.
There are many 7040u devices. But they are used with handheld gaming systems like the ROG Ally and Lenovo Legion Go.
Bruh, if the highest apu only has 4CU its kinda disappointed, literally weaker than my current victus (7840hs) lmao.
Let see how much AMD charges for r5 zen4(c?) 4c/8t + rdna3 4CU a.k.a bigger mendocino lmao. Hope its below $180.
They’re based on Phoenix2, that’s why the corecounts are that low.
It’s more of a low end CPU launch than an APU one, kinda like with the 5500 and 4500.
Where is AM5 APUs?