I was reading up on IP ownership and protection in China, and on paper they make it seem it’s working, but it’s an opaque process where outsiders don’t get a view of the court process and litigation of offenders.
For example, there are a huge amount of patents filed in China. The caveat? The vast majority of the patents filed in China are low quality, made in bad faith (subsidy for patent application greater than fee), not put into use. The push from the Chinese government to have foreign businesses re-file their patents in China, promising protection, seems to me like inviting foxes into a hen house. Do you really trust the Chinese gov’t to honor their word and not straight up steal your IP and tech, after decades of corporate espionage aided and abetted by their government?
It’s a part of a very twisted mentality towards outsiders. We’re barbarians and not Chinese so it’s absolutely fair for them to cheat foreigners. Moreover the cheating is baked in since childhood because winning is everything and the method to get there doesn’t matter. They even expect to be cheated if they don’t cheat first because of how fucked up socioeconomic conditions are, “honor” (the Chinese way, otherwise known as ‘Face’), and how competitive it can be.
We absolutely are NOT playing the same game with them.
Sir, Western science started after Jesuits came to east and learnt lot of eastern knowledge. As Russians point out so nicely these days, where are these rules written which you westerners so fondly refer to? Stealing each other IP is practiced everyday by everyone. It’s nothing new. And Western science nowadays is increasingly run by eastern scientists who came to west due to monetary imbalance created after looters looted everything from east and became rich. And Western politicians increasingly encourage the destruction of eastern institutions so that brain drain keeps happening.
Do your own science and no one will be able to steal. If you rely on immigration, some will be sent to steal.
No one can protect IP if mingling with others. And east really didn’t try to hide anything. West invented IP regime, especially britain and america. Germany was freely sharing knowledge till 19th century.
Learning and living or leaving is not frowned upon in east. Theft, loot, and robbery is, of physical property. Also, destruction is frowned upon.
Knowledge is lost without active sharing. IP thefts are good for humanity. Let there be more and more.
You really think IP theft is done for altruistic reasons? You can’t be that delusional. It’s done for money. So that cheap knockoffs can be cheaply manufactured in the east and sold in the west for money.
That is a simplistic and misleading interpretation of history and current events with one or two good points. Middle Eastern Muslim and Greek scientists influenced Victorian-age scientists, more than anyone else, leaving a lasting impression on the modern age. Eastern brain drain has a lot more to do with a myriad of local issues such as low pay, corruption, lack of work, etc.
Corruption is everywhere, in equal amount. Middle east science came from east. Low pay is due to currency conversion, nothing else. West is in positive cycle now so brain drain happening. Brain drain is actively encouraged through various means by western politicians because they can only find MBAs in west now. This will bring in tech thiefs also. Get used to it. This tsunami will drown all MBAs. Remember Nokia phone operations? All moved to Taiwan, legally. Nothing will stay in west if MBA stays the most preferred earning medium.
Of course they did. China doesn’t care about the rule of law, IP ownership, or really anyone or anything (apart from their own government)
I was reading up on IP ownership and protection in China, and on paper they make it seem it’s working, but it’s an opaque process where outsiders don’t get a view of the court process and litigation of offenders.
For example, there are a huge amount of patents filed in China. The caveat? The vast majority of the patents filed in China are low quality, made in bad faith (subsidy for patent application greater than fee), not put into use. The push from the Chinese government to have foreign businesses re-file their patents in China, promising protection, seems to me like inviting foxes into a hen house. Do you really trust the Chinese gov’t to honor their word and not straight up steal your IP and tech, after decades of corporate espionage aided and abetted by their government?
It’s a part of a very twisted mentality towards outsiders. We’re barbarians and not Chinese so it’s absolutely fair for them to cheat foreigners. Moreover the cheating is baked in since childhood because winning is everything and the method to get there doesn’t matter. They even expect to be cheated if they don’t cheat first because of how fucked up socioeconomic conditions are, “honor” (the Chinese way, otherwise known as ‘Face’), and how competitive it can be.
We absolutely are NOT playing the same game with them.
Sir, Western science started after Jesuits came to east and learnt lot of eastern knowledge. As Russians point out so nicely these days, where are these rules written which you westerners so fondly refer to? Stealing each other IP is practiced everyday by everyone. It’s nothing new. And Western science nowadays is increasingly run by eastern scientists who came to west due to monetary imbalance created after looters looted everything from east and became rich. And Western politicians increasingly encourage the destruction of eastern institutions so that brain drain keeps happening.
Do your own science and no one will be able to steal. If you rely on immigration, some will be sent to steal.
By your own logic, stealing is fine and the east deserved to have their loot stolen because they did a bad job protecting it.
No one can protect IP if mingling with others. And east really didn’t try to hide anything. West invented IP regime, especially britain and america. Germany was freely sharing knowledge till 19th century.
Learning and living or leaving is not frowned upon in east. Theft, loot, and robbery is, of physical property. Also, destruction is frowned upon.
Knowledge is lost without active sharing. IP thefts are good for humanity. Let there be more and more.
You really think IP theft is done for altruistic reasons? You can’t be that delusional. It’s done for money. So that cheap knockoffs can be cheaply manufactured in the east and sold in the west for money.
That is a simplistic and misleading interpretation of history and current events with one or two good points. Middle Eastern Muslim and Greek scientists influenced Victorian-age scientists, more than anyone else, leaving a lasting impression on the modern age. Eastern brain drain has a lot more to do with a myriad of local issues such as low pay, corruption, lack of work, etc.
Corruption is everywhere, in equal amount. Middle east science came from east. Low pay is due to currency conversion, nothing else. West is in positive cycle now so brain drain happening. Brain drain is actively encouraged through various means by western politicians because they can only find MBAs in west now. This will bring in tech thiefs also. Get used to it. This tsunami will drown all MBAs. Remember Nokia phone operations? All moved to Taiwan, legally. Nothing will stay in west if MBA stays the most preferred earning medium.
Corruption is everywhere, but not in equal amount.
You will be surprised to know.
BTW, most indebted countries are from west.
This is wild lmao
There is no such thing as international rule of law