When I worked at target we had an oled that ran a 3 minuteish display loop all day from 8am to 10pm. After a couple years it burned some of the graphics from one of the commercials.
Definitely turned off some buyers when they saw it.
Most of these come from the factory with the brightness and saturated turned way up. Torch mode. That makes the picture look real good a brightly lit show room. We bought our first HD set back in 97 - a rear projection 42" Toshiba. The first thing we did was to turn down the brightness and saturation to match our living room lighting. We replaced it a couple of years ago. Not because of burn in or burn out, but because we wanted a bigger screen. We’ve turned down the brightness and saturation on or new LG QLED, and aren’t expecting burn in issues with this new set. Of course, we can’t predict the future.
Yeah, that too.
I remember the whole craze of burn in of plasma tv.
I bought panasonic one at the almost end of that technology.
It was beaten doen by my kid with gran turismo, need for speed and terraria.
We talk about whole days 365 days a year, multiple years.
No burn in. That plasma still works. Has like 15 years.
A friend of mine picked up an OLED monitor that tells him it needs to be shut off for several minutes every couple of hours…
No thanks. I’ll take my nice WQHD@120hz true 8-bit color IPS screen.
Unfortunately, it’s a downside for having a superior display right now.
I replaced my 34" LG Ultra Wide and 27" LG (both Nano IPS …I want to say the 27 is the 27GL850-B and the 34 is the well…34 UW version of the same monitor)) and my QD-OLED (AW3432DWF) blows them both of the water as far as picture quality goes.
Having to take a break every 4 hours (when I should be anyways if I am sitting that long lol) isn’t that big of an issue to me. Plus, it doesn’t HAVE to be run at exactly the 4 hour mark, you can tell it to complete the cycle the next time the computer goes to stand-by / idle. It’s just advisable to run it every 4 hours when prompted to mitigate possible burn-in from static elements.
+1 the reason I don’t buy OLED is because target show me their test results every day.
My phone can see the reddit icon very faintly when doing other things and it makes me feel like an addict
makes me feel like an addict
You are, we are
This…isn’t one of my use cases.
I’m surprised the store kept that unit out if once it became that bad. A TV running in a store is a extreme situation which is not a good example of what a TV will run like or even look like (crazy color/lighting settings) when used at home.
That was honestly the fault of the store and not really the tv/manufacturer.
I told the manager about it multiple times. The problem is that to replace it the new TV would have had to come out of the store stock, which would look negative on our reports. So they just let it sit there for literally years with the burn in.
It finally got replaced when an LG rep came in and saw it, he had to order one so the store wouldn’t take the hit.
I don’t get it… What is there to learn? Each LED has its own lifespan, so the more it’s used, the less bright it is. Only IPS and the like can have more or less constant wear out due to equivalent use of all backlight LEDs.
In fact, HDR panels with gazillion zones have the same problem, or at least they must have it. Though in case of HDR panels LEDs should be replaceable.
Yea, and mini and micro LEDs aren’t going to fully solve this either, because they have the same problem, just on a slightly longer timescale. The only way to really “fix” this is to have per-pixel auto-calibration, which is going to be really difficult
Sensationalized headline, nothing more.
The point is that OLED has worse burn in rates. The only screen I’ve ever had to do that was OLED and within 2 years of purchase with light use
Only IPS and the like can have more or less constant wear out due to equivalent use of all backlight LEDs.
man, you hit all the main points correctly but mangled this part so bad
IPS has nothing to do with the backlight. it’s just a type of TFT among many. the exact technology of the liquid crystal layer doesn’t matter to how the backlight works.
at a basic level they’re all just a light behind with a layer in front to selectively block the unwanted colours. either layer can have different technologies. they’re not directly connected.
backlights can be uniformly lit, they didn’t even used to be LEDs at all. then they became single zone LED backlit, then they got more and more zones.
HDR panels with gazillion zones have the same problem, or at least they must have it
technically, sure, but practically speaking it’s effectively nonexistent under all but the most extreme (or defective) circumstances.
there’s a reason why microLED displays are the holy grail of display technology. all the benefits of OLED with all the benefits of being inorganic.
It’s pointless to worry about this. Ppl who buy a 1000€ OLED monitor or TV’s in multiples of this cost today won’t be using it for 10 years. Those who would, can’t really afford them anyway. That’s the reality.
I think your comment is true. I also think that there is a significant overlap of the people that are an exception to your rule and browse the r/gadgets subreddit.
I still use a 10+ old LCD tv. Granted it’s not my primary tv anymore but there’s no reason you should have to toss a tv before 10 years.
I’ve got a 32” Sharp Aquos still kicking in the bedroom since 2008. Great machine.
Excuse me? What kind of non-sense comment is this.
I have no idea why it’s so upvoted. It’s basically saying “high value items shouldn’t be expected to last long” and “people who want items to last long can’t afford them anyway” which makes NO SENSE.
It also completely ignores that people save for shit. I have a 77inch OLED. The only reason I bought it was because my company was being bought out and I had to sell back my PTO. My wife insisted I use it on myself. I got a good deal on it with Costco but if it breaks early, I cant just go out and buy another. I’m not replacing the thing until it dies.
I mean, I just bought a $1500 OLED monitor and I hope to use it for as long as possible. Definitely won’t be making another investment like that in a long time.
I can afford it and definitely would use it long term, problem is I don’t want to waste money on something that will degrade within a few years…
I just replaced my Samsung LCD TV I bought in 2010. Noticed recently the contrast and color accuracy had suddenly gone to absolute shit. I feel I got my moneys worth out of it.
That would be true for some people but not all. He whole reason I dropped $2k on a TV was because I knew I use my electronics until they die. But I already had like a 1080p Westinghouse that was about 8 years old, an Xbox Series X that offered more features than the TV could handle, and it was hard to do split screen with my wife.
I plan to have this TV until I have issues with it which I’m hoping to be closer to the 10 year time frame. At which point micro-LEDs will probably be the next big TV innovation that is more commercially affordable to mass consumers if I had to guess.
So. There is something to be said for buying nice things, and keeping them for a long time. Usually that ends up spending less money than buying cheap shit. The typical example are boots/shoes, but there are some electronics that fit that fairly well too (monitors/tvs are one of them).
Buy nice or buy twice.
Garbage comment why tf is this upvoted
Argumenting why it’s garbage would help your case…
So many people telling you exactly why your comment is garbage and you ignore them all to pick on this comment? Then when they provide an argument you say nothing? Lmao bruh.
Okay. So? Water is wet, sun is warm, OLEDs have burnin. Guess what, burnin exists since dawn of CRT displays. And you’re all whining about it like it’s something all new problem to displays. All while ignoring all the benefits of the OLED’s just to keep whining how burnin totally is a thing. Then don’t fucking buy an OLED. Jesus. No one forces you to buy one and there are many rich people who prefer to buy a top end LCD display over any kind of even top end OLED. And there are poor people who find a use case for OLED and feel it’s worth scraping together 4 digit figure to have one. THEY KNOW ABOUT FUCKING BURNIN. So, what’s your fucking point again? Now I’m gonna go enjoy some games on my OLED display.
Saving for something nice != earning a bunch of money.
My parents still use a decade old 4k LCD TV they paid 2K for. People, even rich people don’t change out TVs as much as you think. Most rich people are going to be older and simply don’t want to deal with swapping out TVs as long as they still work. A guy I know just renovated his summer house with 5 brand new 70" and up LG C3’s. They are replacing Samsungs from 2013…
Do you not know any wealthier people or are you just ignoring reality? The average person with money has it because they DON’T just throw it away all of the time willy-nilly on bullshit. They buy top-of-the-line once and expect it to last through servicing and repairs and such. I mean, there are truly over-the-top rich idiots and asshole exceptions to the rule but for the most part, what you’re describing is what I see almost every time a poorer friend of mine has come across an inheritance. I know one guy who has blown through 2 inheritances and an out-of-court car accident settlement pretending to be rich. He’s 39 and lives at home with his mother in Detroit now lol.
What kind of argument is “People who spend lots of money don’t expect items to last” and “those who want items to last can’t afford them”? That’s absurd. You’re basically advocating for planned obsolescence.
10 years? LG C2 in RTINGS test showed faint signs of burn-in after 1200 hours. That’s just 5 months of 8 hours/day use. I don’t plan on using my monitor for 10 years but sure as hell I want to last it more than 5 months.
I buy a monitor that costs at least 1k dollars? I expect that to last for more than 5 years. Warranty covers me only for 2-3 which means I’ll have to take an IPS over it. Maybe they could have extended the warranty times,or make better products that last more,but as of how technology around OLED is right now,I’m not buying one.
“Hi! I have another horrible samsung display with boost-functions that will blast the oled film with a torch sufficient to illuminate a small town. And now I’m going to write about how all OLED is possibly fraught with terrible problems that are not specific to the samsung-panels /at all/, but may in fact be unexplored mysterious weaknesses in OLED-technology in general!”
My Samsung plasma from 2013 still going strong with no burn in.
Dude! 65” Samsung plasma gang here! I paid only $200 for it nearly 6 years ago and I use it every night for 2-3 hours with my PS4 Pro. Zero burn in. Great vivid colors still! A thermistor blew in it like 2 years ago. A $3 fix. I just don’t have the heart to get rid of it if it still works… but I really want a 4k to play my PS4 and my new PS5…
Mine is also a 65’ thing is a tank
As is my 2011 Panasonic Plasma!
Same here, bought it off clearance and still kickin
I don’t understand ultra wide monitors.
It’s a game changer for gaming. It’s really good for multi-window programs like IDEs and video editing. Having 2 full size windows side by side is also cool, but 2 monitors is better for that.
It’s like having two monitors but in one. Everything you need is in your peripheral.
All the replies are talking about going for the most part, but I have one at work. Really makes things easier when you’re working in several different windows at once
It is insane how much better games look with it. Elden Ring feels awful to play without Ultrawide at this point. RDR2 is gorgeous as well.
I thought Elden Ring didn’t have ultra wide support
Not innately. Have to change some things yourself. A lot of games that don’t have support also have easy ways to implement support!
Issue with Elden Ring is it disables online play (to avoid a potential ban) unfortunately. Wish that wasn’t the case but it is so I’ve been playing without Ultrawide lately. It’s definitely a strong case to notice the difference in.
Try one sometime and you’ll understand.
Its better for videogames and films, and having multiple windows open side by side can be extremely useful sometimes. It is also very nice for tutorials, since you can have a website or video open as well as the program itself and not have to switch back and forth between the two.
I have very wide-set eyes that look in outward directions, so they work well for me.
Ultra wide gives you larger FoV (basically peripheral vision), really good for Shooters
Before buying my Alienware OLED I read quite a few reviews of those saying they hit burn in within six months “just doing normal stuff.” I’ve been doing work, playing plenty of games and have experienced zero burn in within the year I’ve had it. I’m convinced people are abusing them, not turning on any of the protective features or are just insanely anal about any sort of imperfection.
“It doesn’t happen to me so it must not exist”
This is you.
I plan on purchasing that new 4k qd-oled flat 32 inch coming next year
My TV is an lg oled and I have that switch oled, never looking back, can’t go back to LCD frankly even mini-led has halo effects etc
My workstation (macbook) has a mini-led it’s perfect and for static usage and lines of codes it’s better than oled clearly but, entertainment it’s oled for me.
Frankly i don’t care in 6 years if I have burn-in, the true transition will be micro-oled but we are very far from affordable not-blazing hot micro-oled
My CRT would probably still turn on if I hadn’t thrown it out for, you know, not being good anymore. People act like they’re gonna use a monitor for 20 years and 18 hours a day with a static image.
A couple of times a year I’m using an old Olivetti CRT - green monochrome with VGA input - on an old DOS machine (upgraded to IBM PC-DOS 5.0) I inherited from work more than 15 years ago.
It still shows a shadow image of the command interface for the online (pre-internet) database it was connected to 8 hours a day for ca. 10 years before I got it.
But it’s still fine for checking incoming diskettes (3,5 inch hard-shell diskettes, as the windows save-icon - NOT floppy as the 5,25 inch floppy-disks on the machine that predated it) before backing up the data.Samo on older CNC machines in our mechanical shop. Some very large horizontal lathes (we make and repair rolling mill gear on them) are relatively old but work really well. They still have Fanuc and Sinumerik control modules with CRT on them. And yes burn in is there , and very strong. Last time when CRT died , repair Maister just replaced it with generic 12" industrial LCD.
Flying toasters unite!
The screensaver’s time has returned
Bring back electric sheep
Only if its all black. Which obnoxiously LG “updated” their tvs with one that is like white words and fireworks and you can’t turn it off. So even though my pc sets it to an all black screen saver after 2min the stupid LG one starts like another minute later… asinine.
Omg can you make your own screensaver and have it be a black screen?
I did on my PC, but thats the issue. Since the update in July it now does its own screensaver (the fireworks and text) even if the PC’s all black one is already going. There is no way to change it. Maybe in the service menu? But another update I haven’t done yet supposedly blocks you from the service menu even with a service remote…
It’s probably doing it when it detects no input, which is when windows turns the monitor off and has a black screen. So using an actual screen saver will probably prevent the LG screensaver from starting
Using a screensaver is a bad idea. The display might not get burn-in, but it will contribute to the degradation of the OLED pixels (They wear down over time)
Best option is to have a completely black desktop background with no icons (or hidden with something like Fences) and a auto-hide taskbar. All you need to do is hit Winkey + D to toggle between the now blank desktop and whatever you had opened. Just move the mouse cursor off to the right side of the screen and you have a completely unlit screen. There are probably some third party apps floating around that can do this same sort of toggle-able blackscreen as well.
Best option is to have a completely black desktop background with no icons (or hidden with something like Fences) and a auto-hide taskbar.
“This display is cutting edge! But it’s best to not use it during use.”
Flying toasters assemble!
I remember a bubble yum one where it was basically a whole mini movie.
Duck came out in a leather jacket and was dancing with chickens and shit. Was never able to find it and that was from before I kept backups of everything sadly lol. I’ve tried to find it and had absolutely no luck.
LMAO that sounds like a riot
I want the 3d fish aquarium from '00
🏅
Johnny Castaway…castaway!
My OLED has burn in, but it’s from using it 8 hours a day for work for the past three years.
I’m all in. Love a good a screensaver 👌 Polar Clock needs a rebirth. Not a great candidate in the burn in department, but it’s sexy.
RTINGS included three OLED monitors in its longevity test, which seeks to simulate 10 years of use within two years; however, the monitors have only been tested for six months so far. Two of those monitors, Alienware’s AW3423DWF and Samsung’s Odyssey G8, use 21:9 QD-OLED panels from Samsung Display. RTINGS’ test originally ran a non-stop, 16:9 CNN feed on the displays.
I can safely ignore these results. The monitors are being abused in an incredible way in a short period of time. The tests do not represent real life usage. Not even close.
Hahahaha you severely missed the mark of the whole point of this article. Like you said, it’s meant to simulate 10 years in a short amount of time.
If you intend on buying a new monitor every year yeah, this probably doesn’t matter to you one bit. But if you use these panels over years this matters. Abusing it is the same way you benchmark things to get the base performance. We don’t have a Time Machine.
You’ve never heard of the term “stress-testing” before, have you?
after 6 months using my G9 pretty much everyday with crosshair x, there is nothing to notice in the area of the crosshair
If you even remotely take care of most OLEDs and turn them off when not in use it’s not likely to happen for an extremely long time. But then you have people who leave their PCs on 24 hours a day on the same screen and complain when they see it suddenly matters. You have to take care of it to an extent 🤷🏼♂️
I prefer LG for this reason since they have the most advanced safeguards and maintenance cycles that the TV does automatically. Can’t vouch for any other brand personally.
I’m using the G8 OLED, best monitor I’ve ever used and I never experienced burn in or screen retention since launch. My 65 inch Sony A80j does get occasional screen retention but returns back to normal after changing the channel.
My G8 suffered from burn in after 5 months. Best monitor ever indeed.
Had to contact Samsung multiple times because they didn‘t believe it (even with high res pictures and videos as proof from multiple angles) and had to pay for shipping to their service center.
At least it doesn‘t want to optimize my screen for 10 minutes right after tuning it on and instead runs its optimization stuff when I dont use it, right? Oh wait…
Is it just me or does the thumbnail look like the Vex Network from Destiny 2?
Vault of Glass vibes
The browser extension “ultrawidify” helps removing black bars for YouTube.