I’m not sure I follow your questions, has nothing to do with what I posted? Are you saying the is no difference between the 10x optical of the ultra and the 3x of the 23/23+?

I am. Either way I’m not a high horsepower user so doubt I would see the difference. Camera is my biggest use.

Camera zoom the Ultra obviously wins hands down. But it’s a Huge phone, I’m more then likely going to downsize to a S24/+ when they come out. I’ll miss the zoom but the ultra is just too cumbersome to carry around and use for me.

I would say if you don’t need the 10x zoom camera or the pen get something else. The ultra is Huge and heavy. I got it for the camera but already wanting to downsize as it doesn’t pocket well.

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