I sort of noticed there has been a boom for handheld PC after Steamdeck launched. Within this year, we go “big” three such as Rog Ally, LegionGo and SteamDeck.

My wandering mind is like, why not, why didn’t this happen say, 5 years ago. Is it because handheld CPU are now fast and power efficient to run full desktop operating system?

We had laptops for the longest time, say Era of “Intel Core 2 Duo”, were there handheld PC at that time? If we had laptop, could there be smaller form gaming device running linux/windoes?

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    10 months ago

    I had one when I was a kid that must have been from the 90s. It was a PDA if I recall. I’ll need to find it someday.

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    They existed. They were just made by small companies at very high prices. GPD has been around for a few years now for example, having launched the GPD Win in 2016. If you’d been shopping them you’d know that these devices have existed for at least a few years now.

    It’s just that the Steam Deck came out and massively dropped the floor on the price of these devices so that they’ve now become much more popular with the masses. The reason I was willing to get the first gen Steam Deck was precisely because I’d been shopping these computers and knew exactly how good a deal the Steam Deck was. It was half the price of anything even close to it in performance or specs, and that was for the top end model.

    No offence to the people that think a Steam Deck is overpriced but they have no idea what the market for these things was before the Steam Deck existed.

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    10 months ago

    It’s not because the low power laptop CPU was not powerful enough for a desktop os, for example handheld PC’s have been able to run windows for a long time (even in the mid 90’).

    It’s because

    Handheld PCs for years weren’t very powerful and were very expensive and not meant for gaming (especially the other alternatives were the Intel atom and the Intel celeron (or using a transmeta CPU, if the manufacturer felt funky). Technically some of those handhelds (like the Samsung q1) were able to game tho only early 2000s games.

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    It’s more the iGPU. You can’t really fit a dedicated GPU in a handheld form factor, so even the handhelds that came before the Steam Deck all relied on relatively pedestrian iGPUs available in Intel chips. AMD was notably missing in this area of the market, as they weren’t heavily into mobile at the time, and only had iGPUs in a few of their desktop chips, and even that came with big sacrifices to CPU performance to get. The Steam Deck came at a time when AMD was stepping up their game here, probably mostly for the next gen consoles, and were finally about to release a mobile chip with RDNA, though that was still in development. Valve had to actually get custom silicon made that backported RDNA into a Zen 2 package, because there still wasn’t anything on the market from any of the players that could actually deliver an acceptable mobile gaming experience at a reasonable power envelope for a handheld device.

    It could be argued that that is actually still the case, as AMD is still mostly focused on the laptop market with its mobile APUs. The Z1 and Z1 Extreme are laptop chips, which is why they target a 30W TDP (laptops, being larger, inherently have bigger batteries to support it). Handhelds like the Ally just started popping them into their devices to claim better performance, but that’s why their battery life is ass. Even pulling those chips back to 15W TDPs like the Steam Deck doesn’t fix the battery problems or offer even significantly better performance than the Steam Deck, despite the newer CPU and GPU architectures. A chip specced for 30W is just inherently more inefficient than one specced for 15W, regardless how much of the power you’re actually using. This is why Valve says the tech for a Steam Deck 2 doesn’t exist, yet. They aren’t willing to compromise the Steam Deck being a truly portable handheld, and you can’t deliver that currently.