How to get around rtx 4090 china ban ft Jensen Huang
Nah.
AD103 and AD102 are two entirely different animals. Like, we are talking about 80 vs. 144 SMs on fully enabled ASICs, alongside 8 vs. 12 memory controllers.
There’s no way an AD103 totting 4080 Super can come even remotely close to the 4090 vanilla.
Besides, it’s not like Nvidia can slap a $1,500 price-tag on a crippled 4090 masquerading as 4080 “Super.”
GN’s Steve ‘Jesus’ Burke will pull out all his hairs!
And besides, Huang has better things to worry about, like Hopper hopping on the export ban list.
Who cares about the 4090?!
I fully believe US will want to put next generation of NV GPUs on ban list from the start.
Otherwise you can expect Nvidia to reserve full stock for China in first months fearing they will get banned soon.
Well, China can always just cripple Apple in retaliation, which is basically over 2x larger than Nvidia, judging by its 2.6 trillion-dollar market cap.
In fact, China can have TSMC, as long as they’re willing to go on an all-out war with Taiwan.
I mean, Russia is already doing the same with Ukraine. What’s stopping China?
If China were to invade Taiwan and take over TSMC, Would they even be able to use the fab? It seems like Russia exploiting Ukraine’s resources would be a lot simpler a task.
In fact, China can have TSMC, as long as they’re willing to go on an all-out war with Taiwan.
No, they cannot.
I mean, Russia is already doing the same with Ukraine. What’s stopping China?
The knowledge that they would certainly lose?
Why can’t they?
Why are you certain they would lose?
If the unit offers a slight performance upgrade versus its predecessor, it will be good enough to further solidify its position on the market of desktop discrete graphics boards.
I mean, sure. But 4080 cards are currently selling for $1100-1600 (in the US). Unless this performance lift comes in at the same price or at a price reduction, idk how this would “further solidify it’s position”. According to the Steam Hardware Survey, only 0.53% of are using the RTX 4080.
Notable cards the 4080 is behind (in no particular order):
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RTX 1080
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RTX 2080 Super
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RTX 3080
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RTX 3090
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RTX 4060
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RTX 4060 Ti
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RTX 4090
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GTX 960
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RX 570
Also, if this ends up being a full-fledged AD103, how big of a performance difference can we really expect? 8%? It’s like the 3070 and 3070 Ti all over again. That was a 4.34% increase in cores, which results in ~7% increased performance. This would be a 5.2% increase in cores for (if we scale linearly off of the previous set of numbers) a ~8.5% increase in performance.
I understand it cannot scale linearly, as the architecture is entirely different, but it gives us a good ballpark for expectations… and those expectations will need to be low.
Edit: To further expand, I just wanted to input that this difference would be just enough to allow the 4080 Super or 4080 Ti (whatever this ends up being) to just surpass the 7900XTX in rasterized performance. If I had to guess, that’s all Nvidia cares about for marketing this. However, this all comes down value and the cost of the product. If they increase the MSRP by $100, that’s less than a 1% scaling in performance to cost ratio, from the 4080.
I can’t see how it makes sense for it to not be the same price as the current 4080 – that one is already too close in price to the 4090 for it to make sense for a lot of people, as the subset of people willing to pay 1,200 fucking dollars for a GPU but are willing to settle for the second best one to save $400 has to be really fucking small. If they try to price the Super in between the two… I just can’t see why anybody would ever buy that card.
4090 prices have been going up and are theorized to continue rising in cost. They start at $1700 and go up to $3200 now.
$1200 for an AD103 die is absurd, in my opinion (though I know I’m not alone). Honestly, I don’t think it would be unfair for the 4080 to drop to $950 and the theorized 4080 Super to drop in at $1100.
Though, I personally believe that $950 for an AD103 die is still too much. The 3080 was on GA102 die and had a MSRP of only $800. Die foe die comparison, the 4080 would fall between the 3070 ti ($600) and 3080 ($800)… $700. Adjust for margins and inflation and costs, etc., sure $800 would be fair.
The 4090 can cost whatever Nvidia wants it to cost; it’s unmatched in performance and is the best out there. $2000? The consumers who want this would still pay. But Nvidia made it clear last gen; 3080 is top of the line for gaming and the 3090 was more in line with the Titan class cards of generations prior. So, if they wanna add a little more margin on top of that $800 I mentioned earlier; sure, go for it. $850 still seems fair enough. But $950, $1100, and $1200 are all way too much.
But thats just my two cents.
Love the 4090 price raises. Means when I get a 5090 I can resell it for a good chunk of change.
4060 Ti 💀
~10% over 4080
Alongside the extra 5% core, They can push the wattage and boost clocks+memory speed
Price it $1200 and drop the 4080 to $1000
The 4080ti is almost certainly the ad102 20 gb model. If i were to guess there would a linear performance gap between the
4080, 4080s, 4080ti and 4090.
I expect 5%.
It’s all they gave for the 2080 Super and AMD is not competitive enough to do anything about it.
Mid-range value will probably improve though.
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How much of a performance bump is this gunna get from the original? I just bought a 4080 and I’m already feeling buyer’s remorse lmfao
it is a 2080 Super’s son, Check out how 2080 Super perform when compared to 2080.
Considering the historical massive performance gap between the 80 and 90 class, the performance jump will be massive IMO. Especially if they want to justify that $1200 price point again.
~8.5% if it remains on AD103 and the information supplied in the article is correct.
So these would just be badly binned cards from a tier up right? 4080 super =~ bad bin 4090, 4070 super =~ bad binned 4080. If so, the 4070 super might be pretty interesting since its like fukin half of a 4080
But again, rumor is a rumor.
If the article is true, no. The 4080 is a cut from AD103 and the 4090 is AD102. The article says that the 4080 super is still on AD103. Even using 100% of AD103 instead of a cut, maximum performance gain is only something around 8.5%.
It’d have to be a terrible (or extremely crippled aka the 2060 KO) AD102 to make sense as a 4080 Super. I can’t imagine it being 20%+ faster than the 4080.
Can’t wait for the 4090 OC/TI/Super/ultraXmegaEXTREME!!11! To hit the market so prices on other cards finally come down.
Duuuuude you keep forgetting the ultra !
Wait is that next year version ?