Oh boy.
Let me see the comments from the real rabid apple fanbois at ARS technica.
Those losers will downvote and cry like babies every time that someone says sideloading in ios.
lol
Well well we’ll look which countries has freedom now.
this would be huge in 2015. nobody cares about shops anymore, people just wanna install app and have it done. devs are out of their mind if they think they will gain on taking their app out of appstore and putting it on some alternative.
For iPhone users that want side loading… why not get android?
Nation State sponsored hackers surely have their calendars marked.
Time to buy some META stock.
Apple is a big reason for their financial trouble. I could see them moving WhatsApp to their own hosted store to force users over and then sideload Facebook to get around tracking restrictions.
I sold it off when Apple started to clamp down. Looks like I can buy in this dip then just wait for that to climb back up.
Apples tracking restrictions are way more draconian than the EU ones.
This explains the last several months trajectory despite their future looking murky.
Hopefully I can also run Mac apps on iPad when proper sideloading is enabled.
UTM with CPU accelerated virtualization (like on Mac). I only want this.
That’s not going to happen, but you are free to continue dreaming I suppose
Really hope this comes to the UK
Why would it? Do you have any legislation that would demand it?
You think you’re being smart but the UK still follows most of the EU laws and regulations as someone said below. One thing about the big “we want to leave the EU” bollocks is that most laws from the EU remained or had their own UK version created lol
They follow a lot of existing legislation. New EU legislation will not apply to the UK automatically, the UK will need to pass its own laws.
Sunak promised to abolish them all :)))
Then… he didn’t.
Because it would be an absolutely mental thing to do without spending years sorting it all out lol. 🤡 🤡 🤡
something something ”brexit”, something something ”we dont want to follow the EU”
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You guys choose to leave the EU
52% did. The 48% want side loading.
Common EU W
How? Why would you value security vulnerabilities on your phone rather than having options?
Is macOS also full of “security vulnerabilities” because you are able to install third party apps? And how is having less choices in apps having more options?
Also sideloading is something that if you don’t want to live with you just don’t do it. It won’t make your phone any less secure by having the option to do it.
As an American in my 30s it feels like it’s been a life time of L’s
You’ve grown up in one history’s wealthiest and best off nations. Maybe it’s time to get some perspective
Americans have way more disposable income (yes, even after accounting for healthcare expenses) on average than Europeans, so you’ve been taking that W every year, at least.
iphone 15 pro costs $1,333 in my EU country and my salary is much smaller, so its not all greener grass over here
Including sales tax, iPhone 15 Pro costs roughly $1,200 in my country, and pretty sure my larger salary doesn’t make up for the extra costs we have with healthcare and way less time off work than you guys get. So the grass may still be greener on that side :)
So come over here in eastern Europe and work for less than $1,200 per month while housing is unaffordable with over 1000 EURO per square meter. But yey, you get an extra holiday or two per year.
How do I make my phone think I’m in the EU?
Zero chance without jailbreak but then you don’t need it. You might be able to fool a single app into believing a false location but an entire OS that has access to GPS, local WiFi details etc….
Depends what the EU stipulates. Don’t they require iPhones which are sold in the EU to abide by these rules? Or like you said phones which reside in the EU?
I bought a phone in Japan and I live in the EU. While in Japan, the camera shutter sound couldn’t be turned off as per local law. Then when I came home it was silent as normal. Then upgraded to a new phone and old one is making the shutter sound again without a SIM in it. So it both detects which market it’s from and where it’s used.
There was concerns when this was announced that Apple could legally delete all your sideloaded apps the moment you stepped outside of the EU.
I’m in the UK. Can I change the date to pre-Brexit 2015? [Drifts into adolescent memory] Or 2000?
The UK will have a similar rule, just lags a bit behind.
As a German bro, I hope you guys come back. We would love to have you back tbh.
Thank you mein freund. Although, I can’t think why – we’re fools. We elected Boorish Johnson. We must be.
Move to the EU
Good luck.
https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/25/ios-16-restrict-features-based-on-location/
Based on our findings, the new system internally called “countryd” was silently added with iOS 16.2, but is not being actively used for anything so far. It combines multiple data such as current GPS location, country code from the Wi-Fi router, and information obtained from the SIM card to determine the country the user is in.
OK good, it’s not tied to your apple account then.
Europe suddenly became the #1 tourist attractions of all time
I really hope some apps can’t exploit this.
Mostly because I VPN into some streaming apps, so they think I’m in a different country when I’m not to get that sweet dirt cheap PPV cost.
I’m surprised that works at all. Most apps that use your location is based the location provided by iOS, which is using gps, and that can’t be spoofed easily.
It can be spoofed very easily on android. Well, not GPS itself. With developer options you can simulate other GPS locations. So any service that runs on both android and iOS can’t rely on using GPS to catch all users using a VPN.
Also both OSs make it easy for a user to deny an app access to any kind of location info other than the IP address
https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/25/ios-16-restrict-features-based-on-location/
I do hope Apple won’t allow access.
I bought a phone in Japan and I live in the EU. While in Japan, the camera shutter sound couldn’t be turned off as per local law. Then when I came home it was silent as normal. Then upgraded to a new phone and old one is making the shutter sound again without a SIM in it. So it both detects which market it’s from and where it’s used.
And yet my phone is from Hong Kong and I went to Japan and it didn’t make a peep.
Yea, I live in Japan and came back to US. Phone shutter never switched over and I bought US iPhone then went back and shutter never reactivated. Dude story sketchy
Did you put a japanese SIM?
No, but my gf did and her phone didn’t start making the sound.
I’m in Korea and there’s the same camera sound law. Bought a 14 Pro Max in the UAE, no camera sound. Brought it to Korea, inserted Korean SIM (not tourist account, but resident postpaid), still no sound.
And yet my phone is from Hong Kong and I went to Japan and it didn’t make a peep.
Can I ask what model phone this is? That’s interesting, I used to work at the Genius Bar and the handful of Japanese model phones I’ve seen all had the shutter no matter what. But these were slightly older models that had been sold second hand to end up in the US.
It was an 8 plus
What happens if you remove the SIM, disconnect from cellular and wifi?
Doesn’t make a difference
From what was described above it sounds like it goes to the default setting (i.e. shutter) if there’s no SIM in it.
Just so you’re aware and not spreading complete lies, there is no law about the shutter sound in Japan. There never was and never will be. The shutter sound is an entirely OEM decision and was never ever a law.
I’m guessing they base it on your credit card associated with your account. I’ve had credit cards from different countries, and using one from a specific country will make the App Store (and some services) swap to that country, independent of where I am physically. Although this can be a different situation.
I don’t think so. I’ve lived in the Middle East for the last few years. When I’m home in the UK, certain features work on my phone but they disappear as soon as I head back to the Middle East. I used UK card on my account always.
When I was in the UK, I could identify plants/animals in my photos but as soon as I got to Kuwait, it just didn’t give me the option anymore.
How does sideloading benefit end customer? What are the risks? Why was this not allowed before?
How does sideloading benefit end customer?
Porn apps are finally gonna be available. Let’s not kid ourselves, Apple’s purinatism is stupid and nobody should dictate if the users are allowed to access adult content or not.
Lol porn apps, the internet is full of porn. The main use for this is piracy, plain and simple. App developers think they might be able to save money by avoiding Apple’s 30% fee, only to find they end up earning nothing form using some third-party app store.
How does sideloading benefit end customer?
It takes away some degree of control from the company, and gives that control back to you.
To me, that by itself is pretty damn big. It is my device, I should be able to choose what I put on it.
In practice this means that you would now be able to install any app, from any source, made by anyone. Regardless of Apples own guidelines or rules in the app store. This opens a venue for the kind of applications you would not normally see on an iPhone.
Some of these include:
- Porn.
- Emulators.
- Game Streaming.
- Applications using their own payment systems without being beholden to the Apple Tax
- Development tools
- Non Safari browsers
- A whole ton of other things.
What are the risks?
The app Store verifies apps and makes sure they work as they should. It’s not a perfect system but it does a decent job.
When you get an App from the app store you can be pretty damn confident that it’ll work, perform well, won’t contain anything to offensive, and is secure.
When you download an app from an outside source, you won’t really have those guarantees. Obviously there will be apps and sources people trust, just like now if you download something on your Mac/PC, chances are you don’t do that through a store. You got a website and download the app from there.
So you take on some risk. The app might be broken, buggy, it might perform like shit and look like shit, it might try to scam you or whatever else.
Why was this not allowed before?
Most likely because Apple as a company, likes to have as much control over their products as possible. Hence why people often refer to Apple ecosystem as a “Walled garden”. Like things in there are great, but there are big walls around your garden that prevent bad things from coming, but they also prevent you from expanding and exploring.
If Apple can control the single source where Apps come from, it gives them more control over your device. Like in Apples eyes, a game streaming service should offer each game as an individual app. Not something you choose from the streaming service, so game streaming services were banned from App store. Since they don’t follow how Apple wants that service to work on their devices.
Additionally security is bit of a concern since sideloaded apps are riskier than verified apps from the app store. Limiting that can make the device more secure. However ideally, the operating system should be secure enough, that you can’t break the security from a sandboxed app.
Then there’s money. Apple has a rule in the pap store that you’re only allowed to use Apples own In App Purchase system. So if you want to buy something in an app, you have to go through Apple, and that means a 30% cut. However this a rules for the app store, since it’s practically impossible to prevent an app from just asking your CC details or opening a paypal page. So if Apple detects this, they ban the app. This is the main reason Fortnite was banned.
Allowing sideloading means relinquishing control over that in app market. Since now a dude can install whatever they want and bypass Apples payment system entirely.
AD 1 - more freedom, more apps available and possibly lower prices for apps.
AD 2 - I don’t want to go into that rabbit hole but if you stick to Appstore, nothing changes for you.
AD 3 - less money for Apple
Maybe a lot of people switch from Android to Apple. It could turn out as win in the end. Imagine, one person buys 1 iPhone for 1300€ that would have bought otherwise android. How many 30% cuts are needed to match 1 sold iphone?
I say, in europe there might me millions of people that switch to iphone.
Sideloading apps used to have this nifty word called downloading. They made it seem like anything not from the App Store was dangerous. Just like when you download an app on your computer they’ll ask you if it’s okay and sometimes you’ll have to go into settings and provide permissions to allow it to download. Will you be able to download some silly shit? Yes. Can you download harmful stuff. Theoretically yes. But is that a problem on macs? Not really no. What it does allow you do to is go to the source of a program and downs load it from them. You can download things apple deems not what they want in the App Store (ad blockers etc) it also allows potential developers to sell apps to individuals without the App Store tax. It’s not good or bad it just is the way it’s always been on a computer. So why not at least allow it with warnings like on mac.
Piracy is a big part of it.
It benefits the end customer by giving him/her freedom. Freedom to enhance the experience or to kinda mess it up btw. But still freedom. The risk well if the person is stupid and install shady ass apps then you can imagine the risks. Although I’m sure Apple will still restrict the possible effects on the OS/phone I guess. iOS will still be “closed” compared to android. Not allowed because Apple knows that most people know nothing about tech, risks and are plain dumb. So it’s easier to restrict to avoid issues than to open possibilities. When I was younger I had a jailbroken iPhone and tbh it helped me a lot at some point (I broke the mute switch and I was able to download a JB app for $1 to replicate the mute switch, wasn’t possible natively) and enhanced the experience (multi tasking before it was possible, all apps for free and so on). Nowadays I just don’t care though
Depending on how strict apple makes it:
You can sideload an app, that would normally be rejected by the App Store review process, that tries to harm the user by exploiting certain native APIs/capabilities.
I’d never ever ever sideload an app that is not open source and that is not built by me or by a reputable source. That, I only suggest to power users.
I’m guessing eventually, some users will regret ever sideloading.
I bet some companies will eventually make non-App Store versions of their apps, companies that want to increase their profits by not paying the App Store commission (such as Spotify, Hey) and companies that want to track the color of your panties (such as Meta).
I don’t give a shit about how much profit Spotify makes and I want somebody to police social media apps as much as possible so I’ll keep using the App Store for those cases.
This is no way going to be as open as people hope it will be.
it will be just as open as the minimum that the eu stipulates. apple has no incentive to go further
Well if it’s not as open as it’s supposed to be, the EU will just force them to open it further :D
Not too sure. If that is their strategy, the EU is only incentivized to add more requirements and maybe beyond as Apple isn’t showing any good will. Might be a better strategy to do this properly
Can‘t wait for my father to enable it, ruin his phone by downloading and installing dodgy shit and I am the one who has to fix it again.
This issue can be fixed by telling your dad no.
You need to give your father a Nokia 3310, not an iPhone if you so that much care for his safety
You give your father a Nokia 3310, get yourself a Switch or DS if you care about emulation so much, they’re cheap these days. Problem solved
Surely the setting would be hidden and not active by default.
Your pops is tech savvy enough to know how to use sideloading but not understand what not to download? Very slim niche he has cornered
Right? I work in IT, I can’t tell you the number of “my android don’t work because I downloaded something I saw on an ad” tickets we get.
90% of people don’t realize they buy the iPhone for the walled garden.
iOS will still be sandboxed and governed by all the same restrictions. Apps won’t be able to ruin the device.
Eu iPhone more value
Not unless you can somehow sideload a location spoofer that fools iOS. Didn’t you really think it wouldn’t be location locked?
But wouldn’t you need to be in Europe to sideload the application to trick it into thinking you’re in Europe to sideload apps? Lol
No it’s purely a software difference
If I go to an EU country, will my phone allow me to side load. And if I come back will the app I downloaded still work? Or does the phone have to be bought in a EU country
Curious if I travel from Europe to say the USA will it keep working.
You’ll likely need an Apple ID set with an address in the EU and/or an EU-issued credit card, plus will need to be physically present in the EU.
That is obnoxious. So EU citizens abroad will have a harder time doing this